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Old 09-28-2018, 04:03 PM
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www.menshealth.co.uk/healthy/the-uk-could-be-smoke-free-by-2030

PHE warn though that attempting to quit by simply going cold turkey is not an effective method when trying to kick the habit. Will-power alone isn’t enough.
I try to kick the habit of not smoking enough. Cold turkey simply doesn’t cut it, I need visual cues and tobacco ready to hand. Willpower is fine to a point, but it takes effort to beat one pack a day and beyond.

leading experts to suggest that by 2030, the UK could be classed a smokeless society (where less than 5 per cent of the population smoke)
Hooray for the 5%! 5% of 65 million is three and quarter million smokers. All huddled together, social lepers in a smokeless society
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That's good, more cigarettes for me then
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The anti smoking lobby is always trying to stand between us and cigarettes.
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I don't know all the rules and law of England, but, before this were to ever happen, they will have to consider all the lost tax dollars and the numerous job that would be impacted by eliminating cigs.

I might not be old enough and have the experience of longer term smokers and the economy, BUT, I don't think this is going to happen anywhere without taking a LONG TERM look at what would happen if this took place - lost jobs, lost tax dollars vs eliminating smoking.
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As long as governments need tax revenue there will always be tobacco companies and there will always be smokers.
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I don't know all the rules and law of England, but, before this were to ever happen, they will have to consider all the lost tax dollars and the numerous job that would be impacted by eliminating cigs.

I might not be old enough and have the experience of longer term smokers and the economy, BUT, I don't think this is going to happen anywhere without taking a LONG TERM look at what would happen if this took place - lost jobs, lost tax dollars vs eliminating smoking.
Statistically, smokers in the U.K. pay for the care they receive via our national health service through the heavy taxation of cigarettes and tobacco, including if needed end of life care, 3 times over. The government need the money they rinse from smokers to prop up our health service.

We have fewer smokers here now, but our taxes are rising.

In my opinion getting to this “non-smoking” 5% would be a financial catastrophe for the government.

So much hypocritical horseshit though. We have standardised packaging here, which as I’m sure you know means 100% of our packs are covered in propaganda. But they don’t begrudge propping up public health with our money.

If all the money we spent on tobacco taxes went on quitting smoking programs, no smoker would ever get any sleep, we’d constantly have deliveries of free nicotine products around the clock

A few thoughts.
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According to the WHO, the smoking prevalence rates for the United Kingdom are 34.7% for adult men and 31.1% for adult women ("adult" means age 15 and up). These are fairly recent figures (edit: well, as it turns out, not quite as recent as I thought, but I doubt the difference from when the WHO Report was done to now is as dramatic as what domestic figures would have you believe). And this "Men's Health" article thinks it's going to be 5% in eleven years? They must be smoking something, and it's not tobacco.

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...this "Men's Health" article thinks it's going to be 5% in eleven years? They must be smoking something, and it's not tobacco.
Nothing sufficiently CBD-rich either, that’s for sure.

Do you have a link for the WHO figures for the U.K.? as this is what I found from the domestic stats:



Maybe taking into account 15-17 year-olds is affecting the WHO figures, dunno
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I copied the statistics a year or two ago into MS Word, but I'll try to find the original URL.

Taking into account 15-17 yr. olds might have some impact, but i don't think that explains the discrepancy between the WHO figures and the government's. I think government statistics tend to be "massaged", and not just the U.K.'s.

Edit: I found it -- but the report isn't as recent as I had thought. It's 10 years old. I think there would have been some decline, but not as much as what most governments report. For example, taking the chart you posted as an example, there would have had to have been a drop of almost 10 points just between the WHO report in 2008 and your chart's showing for 2011. A drop by nearly 1/3 in 3 years -- really???

https://www.who.int/tobacco/mpower/mpower_report_prevalence_data_2008.pdf

This thread reminds me, by the way, that some time ago (in think in 2010) the New Zealand government set a goal of being 100% tobacco free by 2020. That's now just a year away -- now how is that going?

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Thanks for the link.

Yes that does seem a drastic drop in 3 years lol.

I donít trust 99% of statistics , interests are always cherrypicking data for their own means. Itís like a form of tyranny of the people who control and manufacture our consent, without getting too political.

I gather that here in the UK the reduction of smoking has been concurrent with a massive rise in the use of e-cigs, especially amongst millennials. Also cannabis is proving very popular with this demographic. But tobacco not seemingly so. The youth is still the most popular age-bracket though, thatís the funny thing about stats.
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