[cooldude]

Why doesn't PhilipMorrisUSA sell their tobacco products online?

If the reason is because they have been told kids are getting them that way, they have been lied to.

Kids AREN'T getting tobacco products online anymore. The last time that happened with an online retailer was in 2005 and the ATF shut them down along with several other retailers.

The only online retailers left are American Indian sites and kids DON'T get tobacco products from them. The Indians all belong to OLTRA which is a site dedicated to insuring that online retailers do not send deliveries of tobacco products to kids.

Why can't PhilipMorrisUSA open an online store and police itself to make sure only legal aged smokers get their products?

I am a 52 yr old smoker and I don't want to have to start going to the corner store to get my Marlboros. Its not fair to punish me and all smokers because a couple of kids got cigarettes online back in 2005. That doesn't happen anymore! And PhilipMorrisUSA could easily open an online store and police itself at the same time to make sure only legal aged smokers get their products.

If these poor state governments need tobacco taxes so bad, it seems they would want to have online sales of tobacco wouldn't they? There is no way a kid would ever get tobacco products shipped to them in this setup with PMUSA and Big Brother in the same corner, right?

[fullflava]

All the Native american retailers don't belong to Oltra and Oltra has changed its mission..it now represents the online purchasers, not the retailers, but there are still plenty of shady online retailers out there...there are a few that are responsibly retailing tobacco online and selling cigarettes with proper age verification and selling tobacco cessation products to quit smoking products to tobacco to specialty cigarettes to lighters, etc...at the end of the day though, there are over 1000 sites selling these products and i'd say only a true handful of them are operationally legit with full customer service and tracking features.

[teslahelper]

So, fullflava, you're saying that there ARE a lot of online retailers selling to kids?

Well then, Oltra or some other organization better get on the ball and get all these online tobacco retailers organized better. Get them all onboard so they can be more believable when they take the fight over HR5912 between the citizen smokers of this country to the filthy greedy state politicians. HR 5912 is getting rid of tobacco deliveries via the US Postal Service. Don't let this pass people. We will lose our tobacco deliveries first, then toys and clothing, then other specialty items and on and on. This can not stand! Tell your elected officials in your state that you don't want your first class mail tampered with! I'm ranting again...I apologize for that. Thoughts?

[cooljay788]

PM DOES sell their brands online. You gotta go to a smoke shop online to find them...a shop that isn't a Native shop of course.

Of course, Native shops don't sell Big Tobacco brands. Good luck in finding a shop that's right for you.